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		By: Jeannine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 20:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good post Kelli!&lt;br /&gt;http://ofkells.blogspot.com/2011/03/womans-guide-to-success-in-writing.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You know, I forgot one that works whether you&#039;re a male or female poet: Mentor a female poet!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Kelli!<br /><a href="http://ofkells.blogspot.com/2011/03/womans-guide-to-success-in-writing.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ofkells.blogspot.com/2011/03/womans-guide-to-success-in-writing.html</a></p>
<p>You know, I forgot one that works whether you&#8217;re a male or female poet: Mentor a female poet!</p>
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		By: Kells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great post, J9!  Will be linking you up on my blog!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, J9!  Will be linking you up on my blog!</p>
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		By: David V		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David V]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is this a good time to mention a new literary journal out of NJ focused on women&#039;s issues? Adanna Literary Journal (http://adannajournal.blogspot.com/) is currently colleting for its inaugural issue. Founding Editor Christine Redman-Waldeyer, Issue 1 Guest Editor Diane Lockward).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a quick note, while poetry on a national scale may be a boy&#039;s club, here in NJ it seems to be more of a matriarchy, with much of the interesting editing and promotional work being driven by women.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this a good time to mention a new literary journal out of NJ focused on women&#8217;s issues? Adanna Literary Journal (<a href="http://adannajournal.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://adannajournal.blogspot.com/</a>) is currently colleting for its inaugural issue. Founding Editor Christine Redman-Waldeyer, Issue 1 Guest Editor Diane Lockward).</p>
<p>As a quick note, while poetry on a national scale may be a boy&#8217;s club, here in NJ it seems to be more of a matriarchy, with much of the interesting editing and promotional work being driven by women.</p>
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		By: Jessie Carty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessie Carty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 04:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Love this! Especially how all female poets aren&#039;t Plath and Dickinson! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One other issue I find is how, still, it is women&#039;s poetry if they write about say: motherhood. But if a man writes about fatherhood it is universal? Guys read both genders. Please!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this! Especially how all female poets aren&#8217;t Plath and Dickinson! </p>
<p>One other issue I find is how, still, it is women&#8217;s poetry if they write about say: motherhood. But if a man writes about fatherhood it is universal? Guys read both genders. Please!!</p>
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		By: Jeannine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 00:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good points all around, Jim.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points all around, Jim.</p>
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		By: jim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 00:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My favorite line in Lambert&#039;s essay is &quot;game recognizes game,&quot; where she notes that genuinely successful and secure men have no problem in recognizing success or excellence among their female peers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While there is a bravado spin to that line, it strikes me as a quality I don&#039;t recognize often with some other male poets I know, many of whom feel singularly underappreciated, unrecognized themselves, and so it makes their world view smaller, more petty.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If he is grousing about how the New York presses or the Iowa-dominated magazines have overlooked his genius, he&#039;s not likely to be inclined to praise other contemporaries (and here I would say especially women or minorities).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And for the male poets who have game, some seem hell-bent on establishing lineage, which is awfully male-dominated as they unwind through the generations.  I got this feeling in reading Dean Young&#039;s wonderful &lt;i&gt;The Art of Recklessness&lt;/i&gt;, in which he offers some token nods to women poets, but is consumed drawing back from Ashbery to O&#039;Hara to the Dadaists (Breton, above all), and then mainlining back to the Romantics (Keats in a big way).  He glances off Gertrude Stein (a more &quot;reckless&quot; writer, I&#039;m not sure of), and I was kind of hoping that he&#039;d stop there, with her, rather than trying to go back to the predictable father-hunt.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Essentially to recognize someone else&#039;s game requires some generosity and humility.  Of course, the saddest part of it is that it really costs nothing to pay that kind of respect, that there is no diminishment in that word of praise or admiration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite line in Lambert&#8217;s essay is &#8220;game recognizes game,&#8221; where she notes that genuinely successful and secure men have no problem in recognizing success or excellence among their female peers.</p>
<p>While there is a bravado spin to that line, it strikes me as a quality I don&#8217;t recognize often with some other male poets I know, many of whom feel singularly underappreciated, unrecognized themselves, and so it makes their world view smaller, more petty.  </p>
<p>If he is grousing about how the New York presses or the Iowa-dominated magazines have overlooked his genius, he&#8217;s not likely to be inclined to praise other contemporaries (and here I would say especially women or minorities).  </p>
<p>And for the male poets who have game, some seem hell-bent on establishing lineage, which is awfully male-dominated as they unwind through the generations.  I got this feeling in reading Dean Young&#8217;s wonderful <i>The Art of Recklessness</i>, in which he offers some token nods to women poets, but is consumed drawing back from Ashbery to O&#8217;Hara to the Dadaists (Breton, above all), and then mainlining back to the Romantics (Keats in a big way).  He glances off Gertrude Stein (a more &#8220;reckless&#8221; writer, I&#8217;m not sure of), and I was kind of hoping that he&#8217;d stop there, with her, rather than trying to go back to the predictable father-hunt.  </p>
<p>Essentially to recognize someone else&#8217;s game requires some generosity and humility.  Of course, the saddest part of it is that it really costs nothing to pay that kind of respect, that there is no diminishment in that word of praise or admiration.</p>
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		By: Jeannine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 20:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Elisa! Any other suggestions - maybe we should do more as editors, too?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Elisa! Any other suggestions &#8211; maybe we should do more as editors, too?</p>
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		By: Elisa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 20:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for furthering the discussion! I&#039;m usually more inclined to review a poetry book by a woman, because books by men just seem to get more coverage, perhaps in part because the name tends to already be more familiar (since men are getting published more widely).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for furthering the discussion! I&#8217;m usually more inclined to review a poetry book by a woman, because books by men just seem to get more coverage, perhaps in part because the name tends to already be more familiar (since men are getting published more widely).</p>
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