- At April 05, 2005
- By Jeannine Gailey
- In Blog
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More AWP and Ilya…
I just have to say this first – Ilya’s workshop is the first time that any workshop leader has ever invited me to dance during a break. Real Waltz-type dancing. Dancing in Odessa…he wasn’t kidding! But seriously, Ilya was totally sweet and very very intense. We had a two hour workshop (some very very impressive poets among my workshop group whose names I can’t find right now) and then these individual conferences where he did a great job with line edits and suggestions and pep talking etc. I mean, twenty minutes and I forgot about the sixteen million hours of driving in the past 24 hours and four hours of sleep the night before. He made a point of telling us to be more ambitious, to write about bigger subjects, to try a series of poems, to write about “America” and I even made some notes towards future poems while he was talking, he was very inspiring that way. I don’t usually think about the difference between “big” and “small” subjects but he talked about that at length, and also about “cold” poetry like Wallace Stevens and Elizabeth Bishop and “warm” poetry. He did suggest I put an exclamation point in my poem, but I forgive him for that, because his other suggestions were spot on. Imagine me putting exclamation points in a poem around anything not having to do with lipstick. Or possibly, boots. Hey, I was raised in the Midwest – we don’t put exclamation points in our poems even if we’ve just been stabbed. Blogs, maybe, but never poems.
Speaking of that, everyone’s talking about how polite and friendly Vancouver was, but I have to say I encountered quite a few of the rudest people ever (not at the conference, more generally) and my friend (coincidentally, Midwestern) from my MFA program, who was staying a few blocks away from the conference, encountered a glass-shard stabbing in progress on her walk home one night. So, I don’t know, I still vote for Seattle over Vancouver – I’ve seen drug deals galore here, but never a glass-shard stabbing. Plus, as we drove home, I noticed how the rain cleared as we neared my little rented home, and sure enough, sunshine as we got in the driveway. I also want to issue an apology on behalf of the big-rainy-left-upper-corner to all who had trouble getting home (Shanna, Paul, etc.) – it sucks getting to and from anywhere in the Pacific Northwest via plane. I have had too many bad airport experiences here to even count, and I’ve tried Seattle’s airport, Portland, and Vancouver, numerous airlines, etc. What can I say? It’s like we have our own little Newark airport spirits out here.
Back to AWP…OK, first of all, I don’t think I mentioned in my last post how very attractive all the bloggers I met were in person. Everyone was way cuter than their pictures. And also interesting and friendly, the kind of people you’d invite over for pizza and xbox but could still talk to til 3 AM about “important subjects,” you know? Also I’d like to give the friendliest editor award (and there was a lot of competition) to Marjorie Manwaring from Switched On Gutenberg, who I met during an otherwise-kind-of-so-so panel on workshops and was just bowled over by how fun she was. I saw very little swanning or excessive schmoozing this year, overall. Last year’s AWP felt very intimidating and more business-like, but this one felt more genuinely good-will-full. Maybe it was all the Northwesterners. They are a gregarious and laid back group. The bookfair was wonderful, I spent a ton of time there and had a lot of fun just paging through books I had heard of but had never had a chance to get my hands on, even with my very own poetry bookstore in our backyard. I encouraged many publishers to send more of their books to Open Books in Seattle, it was surprising how few people knew about it, because hey – a poetry-only bookstore – everyone should know!
Another nice thing about the conference was how encouraging most of the publishers and editors were, as opposed to, say, yelling “Jeannine, quit sending us your damn work!” which is what I picture them saying when I lose a contest or get a rejections slip. Apparently, those who remembered my work wanted me to send again. It’s so funny, because usually one rejection slip is enough to scare me off a magazine for years – I’m like, yep, they hate me and my work, what’s the point of sending there again, etc. So, I had to remind myself to get over myself and not have such a fragile ego. Lots of poets out there, lots of them are really good, so persistence seems to be part of the deal. The other good thing I got out of talking to publishers was a sense of economically the problems with publishing poetry – the problem of debt, not selling enough copies of poetry books for them to be affordable to publish, the lack of support, the lack of audience, etc. One publisher suggested a “non-fiction hook,” like including music or non-fiction or artwork in books of poetry. I would like to become a poetry publisher someday and I’m trying to get a sense of what makes a publisher successful or not. I think active promotion of authors must help both the authors and the publishers – readings, book parties, ads, etc…Red Hen and Tupelo seem to be two publishers who are really good at that part – but there’s more – it’s sensing which book will connect with an audience and then how to get that book in front of said audience. Interestingly problematic. I am always dragging people who think they hate poetry to poetry readings that they end up loving and giving books of poetry to people who are genuinely surprised by how much they end up liking the books. You poets out there teaching freshman English 101 are part of it too, considering the problem of how to introduce people to poetry in an appealing way, and the high-school teachers, and the people that donate poetry subscriptions to libraries. Matthew Shindell is doing an innovative radio show in San Diego (click on his blog link at left and send him some poem recordings) and it will be interesting to see how those poems are received by the listeners. Will they be like, shut the poets up and play more music? Which poems might they connect to? On the drive home from Vancouver my family back in Cinci huddled around one computer listening to the show included me by calling me on my cell phone and holding their phone up to the computer while they made commentaries on the show. Some poets they liked, others they hated. It felt like the 1890s, somehow, listening to poetry on the radio, as a group, and my family is made up of robot scientists, corporate trainers, dojo-running graphic designers, and telecom network administrators, not the typical poetry audience, so it was good to hear their feedback.
Anyway, yup, getting audiences interested in poetry, how to do it, etc…any ideas? It is poetry month after all, if we can’t talk about it now, then when?
Jennifer
Great post, Jeannine. The Kaminsky workshop sounds like it was wonderful. I was just telling Scott how much fun it was to hang out with you. I sure wish more arts organizations would cross over into hosting readings. They’ve done some at the Tacoma museum of glass, I know, but it seems like there’s room for a lot more really public exposure for poetry. I think Metro’s “Poems on the Bus” is a great program in that regard, but they’re restricted to short poems. You see street musicians; ever see street poets? After reading a great new poem that makes me want to jump around the room it’s so good, I’ve wanted to go straight down to a park and read it out loud for the benefit of everyone. Or photocopy and distribute it to every place that usually sports garage sale signs. Never had the guts. But how many people might discover an interest if exposed to poetry in public spaces, as opposed the current system, under which one has to seek it out? Wow, I just took up way too much space, didn’t I? Sorry.
jeannine
Thanks Jennifer! No such thing as too much space! I had a ton of fun too and am looking forward to seeing you at the reading on the 13th (hopefully.) There’s a great bar about five minutes away at the Woodmark called “The Library Bar.” I just love it. I like the idea of poetry in public spaces, copies given out in libraries, maybe? I have often thought of making copies of poems at readings and just giving them away to anyone who wanted them.
early hours of sky
Great post. I have been waiting for you to tell me what you thought of the workshop. You are going to get tired of me saying this but I know Illya too. Personally I think he is one of the most talented poets alive. He amazes me. I will pass along you liked the workshop. Hmmm so my thoughts on mainstreaming poetry, I think we are in fact headed in that direction. I hate to say this, but I think the more we get away from MFA poets and have ppl. like Reesce winning Bakeless we will draw in more readers. I have nothing against MFA programs but I do think in a way it is like art school. You need at the end to forget almost everything you know and paint from your gut.
jeannine
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jeannine
Thanks TE! I did think Ilya did a great job.
On the discussion of how to “save” poetry, I think it’s a bigger problem than just the MFA, Which by itself, after all, is just reading and writing. There was an interesting interview with Camille Paglia today on Salon, she’s generally kind of self-serving and says some things I completely disagree with, but here’s an excerpt I think I agree with:
“Well, first of all, they [poets] better stop talking just to each other in those small groups of the like-minded. I used to like John Ashbery, for example, but he got addicted to critical adulation. Too many people want academic idolization. They want the prizes. I want the poets and all artists to address the general audience again: Stop addressing the like-minded true believers, cut out the partisan politics, stop thinking that the only people you can speak to are those who agree with you already. Writers and artists need to start addressing those who don’t agree with them.”
I think, radically, I guess, that writers have a responsibility to a “general” audience. To be interesting, to be entertaining, to at least try to communicate, on at least one or two levels. I mean, Ilya’s book, everyone can pick it up and understand it at one level, and people that really love it can re-read it and re-read it looking for the layers. That makes it a very ambitious book, outside of subject matter and language and all that. It is trying to communicate.
It’s not about the MFA, it’s all about the audience and I think the academy/poetry elite (not my profs, luckily, so far, but enough people) encourages indifference towards the “them” who haven’t spent their lives studying etymology and Foucoult/deconstruction theory/etc. Here’s another Paglia quote from the same interview: “I cannot stand the cool in-group — “We are the special people, we are the best people, everyone else is just rubes and hayseeds.” Get over that! People who claim they’re leftists and who have contempt for ordinary people and how they vote.” Maybe it’s my Midwestern/Appalachian heritage, but I see this everywhere. Populism deserves a voice in the poetry world, not just populism, but ambition tethered to the idea that a poet should at least try to engage with a general readership. Not dumbing down, but addressing more of a general readership than just your professor/classmates/editor/publisher.
How much responsibility should we lay at the feet of poets, and how much at the feet of the audience?
Things I wrestle with. Okay, off my crazy soapbox now.
Rusty
Great comments, Jeannine! I agree that too many people are addressing a very select group of “poetry elites” in their writing (and this often goes for other mainstream literature as well). Writers as a group need to step up to the plate and put something out into the world that can appeal to the mass-culture as well as to the critics. Even if the academy doesn’t like pop culture, it should be time that poets and other writers started exploiting it as much as pop culture has exploited literature.
Glad you made it home OK. Seeing you in predominately black (although still with that shocking pink purse and garnishment!) nearly petrified me with fright. I thought something had gone wrong in the world and I had stepped into a Twilight Zone episode… =P
Glenn Ingersoll
Here in Berkeley I’ve encountered street poets. One old guy steps up to you just about anywhere and says wanna-hear-a-poem? Another was a traveling poet — he was trying to make enough money to travel to a slam in, I think, Seattle. He told me he didn’t want me to give him any money if I didn’t like his poem. Then offered a choice: political or personal. I said, Poet’s choice. And it wasn’t terrible. So I gave him the change I had in my pocket.
cheers,
G